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I still do not regret “dropping out” of RCIA.

Although I know that I’ve actually been writing more about religion in here than I have video games over the course of… well, this Lenten period (even though I actually had to Google “when is Ash Wednesday?” and “when does Lent start?”, as well as some other things like “what is a Hail Mary?” and “what is Our Father?”, because all of those Masses that my ex and his mother coerced me into attending, as well as those functions and get-togethers that they made me come to, were intentionally completely lost on me because I ignored as much from them as I possibly could, did not listen to or learn a thing from them, and just wanted to be done with it all and leave because I did not want to be there and still wish that my ex had respected me enough to say something to someone about that… but I honestly think that he thought that “with enough exposure, I’d change my mind,” which led me to believe that he had an idealized version of “me” in his head, I was never actually going to be that person), I do intend on stopping come Easter and only picking it up come each Lent.

Never once in my life have I had a questioning moment that has led me to speculate the existence of a higher, or supernatural, power. I have been happy with that, and I don’t think that will ever change anytime soon given that it has been a decade now since I have “rejected” RCIA in the literal self-admission of being a decades-long atheist to the class instructors (and my ex’s mother), which led to me being dropped from the class roster and being disinvited to the church functions that I had been coerced into attending. It was my ex’s mother’s plan to get me to convert to Catholicism so that I “had” to consent to have her son baptized so that she could use that to exert even more control (or what little control she comparatively had), make me marry her son in the Catholic church to “fix the sin of us having had a child out of wedlock”, and then use that to exert control over me because of how the Catholic church feels about contraceptives, even though I made it plainly clear to both of them that I was done having children… I guess they didn’t realize how done I really was, and that as long as it had to do with my body, I could and would be the one making that decision.

As far as “rejecting” RCIA though (even though I literally actually did it), I do not regret doing so in the manner that I did. It would have come out at the end of the inquiry period had it not come out then, and then I would have been dropped from the class roster by the RCIA instructors or the priest himself after being interviewed by one (or two) of them, but it would have been worse because I would have sat through more classes that I didn’t pay attention to and the fact that my ex’s mother had lied to as many people as she did telling them that I wanted to convert to Catholicism would have become even more of a glaring lie. Either way, at some point early on in the process the truth would have come out and I would have been dropped, because if my mind hasn’t changed on the matter aside from me continuing not to believe in the existence of anything supernatural and being completely opposed to all theistic doctrine in an entire decade it would not have changed in a few weeks’ time. And they would not have married me in the church (which is that important to his family) because I would have stood in opposition to any and all infant baptisms (which, if you get down to brass tacks, would only have been one because I was not having any more children), and I was opposed to all of his church’s doctrine, especially that which involved me in any way, shape, or form…

If they had been content to keep their religion to themselves and not force it, things may have been different.

But I don’t really think that they would have been because they, and Catholicism, are not that kind of people.

A lot of things, jammed up in one post.

With any luck, our PS4’s external hard drive should be here in… about a week or so, give or take, and then we can stop playing the “internal hard drive shuffle” for a long time! I didn’t want to get an extravagantly large one and then have to pay a lot of money for it knowing that I want to get more physical copies of games, but I wanted to get one realistic to our needs for the PlayStation 4. This one should serve us well.

I’ve also gotten into more debates over the course of the Lenten season (“the inquiry period for RCIA is for those who may be interested in converting to, or joining, the Catholic church”) and I actually had to go to Bub’s father’s church’s website myself and quote what their actual site says about the RCIA program. Needless to say, the wording of their very own site is not ambiguous about the fact that they are looking for people who are actively interested in conversion and joining, so if they continue to have the same RCIA instructors as they did when I… was a brief participant in the classes, it should come as absolutely no shock to anyone that they are not looking for someone who not only “actively questions religion” (probably their own way of putting it or reconciling it to themselves) or is only taking the classes because a boyfriend or the father of their child or grandmother of their child really, really wants them to take it, and by that I mean has actively coerced them into enrollment because then that makes it a lot easier for their son or grandson to get baptized Catholic because now both parents are Catholic and they have to adhere to Catholic doctrine regarding baptism now don’t they? (Except, as I’ve mentioned in previous entries, I honestly do not think that I would ever have gotten that far. Prior to becoming what is called a catechumenate, or someone who is actively interested in pursuing Catholic baptism, either the RCIA instructor(s) or the priest themselves interview you to ensure that this is what you really want to do and you are “fit” for the program. If I hadn’t been dropped from class enrollment after that first class, I would have been dropped at this point in time.)

There’s also this quote from another site:
“Ideally, this is a period of time that is to be ongoing. It is for anyone that has heard the good news of Jesus Christ from the living example of someone who has drawn them to the parish and they are interested in learning more.”

Literally none of that was true in my case, and I continue not to have any regrets about dropping out.

I’ve tried to open as much dialogue as I can, though, for those who have sincerely dropped out of RCIA, never returned, not looked back, never converted to or joined the Catholic church (or any other theistic church) in any way who are happy with how they are living their lives and do not intend on changing that. You hear a lot of stories from people for whom the reverse is true — atheists converting to Catholicism, people from other religions converting, people conversing about how they felt “the call”, but fewer people openly disclosing how the opposite was and continues to be true for them. It’s almost as though the very subject of that is taboo. Or you’ll hear people (almost always Catholics in this case) talk about how “they’ll convert when the time is right”. It’s been a decade now for me and, as I continue to read about Catholicism and theism, the more I realize that I was right in rejecting this doctrine and want nothing to do with it for me and mine. I am content not to have it in our lives. I want to see more unashamed dialogue here in general…

Since it is the Lenten season and all, to note…

Before I was coerced into those religious conversion classes that Bub’s paternal grandmother rushed me through filling out forms to sign up for (you know, the ones that she intentionally did not even give me the chance to read), Bub’s paternal grandmother told all of her friends at church that I was actually interested in converting to Catholicism. This was news to me, given that this had never actually come up in conversation with me and I had never actually been told that I was interested in it. You know, because I wasn’t. Not at all.

Apparently she had also spoken with the instructors of the class and let them know that I was also interested in converting to Catholicism, so it was… surprising, to say the least, when I showed up to the first, last, and only class that I actually participated in, did not even know the name of the class, had no idea why I was actually there, didn’t even know that the instructors of the class were not priests themselves (as, having been coerced into attending Masses with my son’s father for weeks up until that point and various church functions and get-togethers, and clearly not wanting to [although it might not have been clear enough to everyone, including him, because they had their heads in the sand and could not see that it was actually clear as day that I did not actually want to be there or want anything to do with any of this], I was ignoring as much as I could about everything that had to do with the Catholic church, to include who all of these people actually were), and at the end of the class, that I had actually been an atheist without interruption since I was three years old. So, by that point, we were going on decades of non-belief in anything supernatural. They were stunned. What I told them did not match up with the impression that Bub’s paternal grandmother had given them of me. And I suppose it was then that she was outed as having lied about at least one thing (“my interest in conversion”, “signing up for the classes of my own interest”).

And then she had to find out that yes, I was actually an atheist and that I had been one my entire life. She would not be getting what she wanted. She would not be able to convert me by force into her religion, and she would not be getting the Catholic wedding that she so desperately wanted to “wash away the sin” that was her grandson being born out of wedlock. Not only would I have been dropped from the class roster at the point in which inquirers would have had to interview with the class instructors or priest had I not been dropped from the roster at the end of the very first class (I was actually dropped from the class roster at the end of the first class, and I was disinvited from all subsequent church functions and get-togethers after this, even though I was civil in… letting everyone know that I was actually a long-term atheist), but his church would not have married us because of my long-term lack of belief, refusal to participate in anything that the church would have required my participation in, refusal to consent to our child’s baptism or participation in anything relating to the church (I believe that children should have a right to choose if or when they participate in anything religious and would have virulently fought his father on this), and the fact that I am diametrically opposed to everything that the Catholic church believes and teaches. This has only grown over the decade, although it can also be said that my opposition to theistic religion has also exponentially grown as I have continued to study them. Evangelists have tried to wear me down over the years with absolutely zero success, even “well-trained” ones who “have a high rate of success getting individuals to want to convert, and planting seeds”. I have actually caused them, well, ire, because my objections are enduring.

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